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- From: ENGR@GSSI.MV.COM (Michael Furman)
- Subject: Re: Integral conversion e.t.c. (was: Re: Hungarian notation)
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- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 1996 16:56:57 GMT
- References: <30C40F77.53B5@swsbbs.com> <SPENCER.96Jan22113215@zorgon.ERA.COM> <TANMOY.96Jan29090518@qcd.lanl.gov>
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- In article <TANMOY.96Jan29090518@qcd.lanl.gov>, tanmoy@qcd.lanl.gov says...
- >
- >In article <KANZE.96Jan29121956@slsvewt.lts.sel.alcatel.de>
- >kanze@lts.sel.alcatel.de (James Kanze US/ESC 60/3/141 #40763) writes:
- ><snip>
- > I think the crux of Michael Furman's question lies therein. Does the
- > standard require a diagnostic if the function main is not of one of
- > the two types given?
- >
-
- Not exactly. My question was not about diagnostics, but about usage
- of constructions that are not defined in standard.
- There are two kinds of undefined behavior:
- 1. When operation does not have any meaning. Example: assigning a value
- to dereferenced incorrect pointer. In such cases sometimes it is very
- hard or impossible (at least on some platforms) to check it even at
- execution time and it is really possible that hard disk will be
- reformatted as a result of such operations.
- 2. When operation has meaning but can not be portable defined for all
- platforms. Example: all number conversions that depends on internal
- representation or some CPU specific (like rounding). But I have more
- clear example: "asm" keyword. I found it is defined in C++ draft and
- I believe it is defined in C standard.
- Was it inserted just to give programmers some way to implement undefined
- behavior (with some chance to have disk reformatted)? I do not think so.
-
- In C++ draft standard there are two words used in such cases:
- "undefined behavior" and "implementation defined behavior" - and I think
- they are used accordingly for 1. and 2. As I understand now in C standard
- there is no such clear division. But it does not mean that the problem
- does not exist and I believe it is very wrong to claim that in every
- case where behavier is not defined by C standard we may loose all
- data from our hard disk!
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